OpCARTEL: Hubris and Blood

Friday, November 04, 2011

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HUBRIS:

Yesterday I wrote about how I had thought it was rather ill conceived of Anonymous to attempt to mess with an organization like the Zetas.

Last night I hear that Barrett Brown, ersatz former spokesperson has decided to get back into the action with this particular Op.

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A tweet from his acct had a link to the following pastebin:

  • The Anon who had been kidnapped last month by the Zetas has been released, although it appears that the Zetas concerned did not know that the individual was the Anon whose release had been demanded by those who instigated #OpCartel. As such, no bargain has been fulfilled. Meanwhile, those who have been in possession of the e-mails have promised to provide them to me alone, which is to say that everything that proceeds from now on is my own work, and not that of Anonymous. Any reprisals against anyone other than myself, then, will have no effect.
  • As I’ve told several journalists today, I will be proceeding carefully and with the assistance of several parties who are equipped to assess the contents of these e-mails and particularly those portions dealing with Zeta collaborators. I’ll announce the next step in a few days.
  • Finally, much of the reaction that this affair has received, particularly the dozens of often malicious predictions of my upcoming murder by the Zetas, is among the most degenerate displays I have yet seen. The idea that I should refrain from assisting in the naming of probable criminals operating in a foreign country without a working judicial system lest I be murdered is a cowardly sentiment. No individual living in the free world should refrain from working to fight injustice simply because there is a possibility of retaliation. Less important, but equally inane, have been the hundreds of comments and even media reports in which I am described as “foolish” for taking a risk in the course of something I believe in. Those objections dealing with possible repercussions to innocent third parties are reasonable, and I have made an effort to address those; those objections to the effect that an American ought not assist his fellows who have themselves risked their lives for this cause is informed only by a sick culture that is destined for destruction and replacement. If, by some chance, I am indeed killed by the Zetas, I will at least not have to contend ever again with the irritating and, frankly, faggy outpourings of a population that has proven itself incompetent to rule the empire that has been provided to it on the backs of others. Amrite?

Barrett, all I have to say is this…

“Way to go moron! What the heck are you thinking? Are you that vainglorious, or are you just mentally challenged?”

Let me break this down for you all once again.

  • Any data you have will serve no purpose. The cartel owns the government there
  • The US may be interested in the data only in that they want to see who reacts. They already know this information in all likelihood
  • The release of the hostage… You ever consider that it was not an appeasement? That they are using this person or persons to get to others within the Mexican Anon org?
  • All your bravado will leave you once you find an MS13 gangbanger over you with their pistol against your head
  • You will not be a hero or a martyr.. You will have been just stupid

How many people have taken up the fight directly, not covertly, in Mexico against the cartels (LAW ENFORCEMENT) and died?  

Take a look and you will see that this group has no compunction in killing anyone anywhere. So, you have more solidly just painted the crosshairs on your head with your little pastebin...

And, you likely will not be alone… Nice going you tactical nitwit.

BLOOD:

Let me once again talk about Pablo Escobar it took some serious special operators from the US to go down to Columbia and hunt him down. Not geeks behind computers with little bits of data, no, it took guys with guns who were battle seasoned to get Pablo, and he was just as nuts as these guys in Zeta.

The difference here? The Zetas core 30 members are TRAINED SPECOPS! WE TRAINED THEM IN THE US!! They are deserters from the Mexican Special Forces!!!

And look at you... all puffed up and thinking with your gun... AND you do it so publicly, like they are going to be afraid to whack you?

Ugh.

I tried telling you all that if you wanted to do this stuff, you had better be smart about it and completely protected with SECOP’s protocols and you go and hang it all out there?

Patently stupid.

So, now its all on you Barrett. You and your council of  core Anon’s you speak of. I just hope that when they do get you (Zeta, MS13 etc) that you really don’t know who the others are in real life... Because I am sure you will give them up before they whack you.

Stupid.

K.

Cross-posted from Krypt3ia

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Chris Kimmel Really…. I mean really… come on now…

First off you have no right to call someone a moron for standing up for what they believe in… if individuals did not do this and were objective/insulting, much like that route you have taken, we would still be under British rule. Secondly calling him mentally challenged removes all validity of your post. So now on to your bullet points…

• Any data you have will serve no purpose. The cartel owns the government there

Yes, the Cartel “s” own the government there, but you are forgetting – if the information released implicates high ranking officials… trust me the Zeta’s won’t be worried about going after some punk, no… The Zeta Killers ( a major rival Cartel whos main purpose is to killed Zetas… Hence the name) will be too busy killing these officials and high ranking members along with their families… The gang war that would erupt in Mexico would be something that hasn’t been seen before and trust me once the information is released (if valid) the last concern of the Zetas will be hiring hackers to do a job the CIA obviously failed at…

• The US may be interested in the data only in that they want to see who reacts. They already know this information in all likelihood

Yes I’m sure they already know.. and probably don’t care… the US will side with whichever side is the most beneficial to its own agenda

• The release of the hostage… You ever consider that it was not an appeasement? That they are using this person or persons to get to others within the Mexican Anon org?

Agreed

• All your bravado will leave you once you find an MS13 gangbanger over you with their pistol against your head

Disagree, tracking someone down while inherently is not hard but like I said before too much conflict would/will arise and the last thing the Zetas will be concerned with is tracking down some kid to send a message. Of course they are going to send out scare tactics.. but really what are the chances of them having someone track him down, send an assassin across the border to kill a kid when their own cartel members are being slaughtered by other cartels.. PRIORITIES come on …

• You will not be a hero or a martyr.. You will have been just stupid

Actually let’s say for instance this kid did get murdered… he stood up for a cause, for something he believed in.. whether you agree with it or not, someone will and he will be a martyr…. While I highly disagree with Anonymous and most of their actions to date (exception is given to the take down of the child exploitation websites), these guys fully believe what they are doing is right and they have that right.

While I value your right to have an opinion, you took the wrong approach….
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abc abc Dear Chris Kimmel,

You should take into consideration that Barrett Brown wrote a book. What he does now has not much to do with real "help" or "doing good", but with PR. If he'd really wanted to HELP, he wouldn't have made himself (and Anon in general) a target by media whoring.
The sad truth is that this guy is so much into media attention and so much into getting a lucrative book deal, that he doesn't care if the Zetas kill 10 random, innocent people per every leaked dox.
I agree with the judgement that Barrett isn't "right" in his head. But I'd guess he's a sociopath or something like that. He definitly doesn't care about much more than himself.
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Don Eijndhoven @ Chris: You´re making the same flawed assumptions that Barrett is making. I will grant you that standing up for something you believe in has merit, but to do so in the worst possible way really does leave him open to ridicule and I can´t fault anyone for calling him on it.

The fact of the matter is that Barrett is seriously underestimating his opponent, and overestimating his abilities. There are literally THOUSANDS of gangbangers (MS13 is one of the biggest gangs in the US with an estimated 60.000+ members in the US alone) and they have a reputation for being extremely violent. Here you are, thinking the cartel will "send an assassin across the border" but thats simply not what will happen. Some random (US) chapter of MS13 (or other cartel-affiliated gang) who happens to be close to Barrett will get a phonecall. The next day you´ll read about a bloodbath in the paper. That is ALL you´ll see. It won´t be some highly tactical assassin with a sniper rifle trying to be stealthy. It´ll be a complete and public bloodbath by some gangbangers striving to make a point, simply because it sounded like a good idea when the cartel mentioned it. He´ll be a sideline activity for them, not even the main course for that nights´ criminal undertakings.

And to think that he´ll even make a dent. What hubris! In the way that he´s publicly defying Zetas, they´re pretty much obligated to wax him even if he doesn´t do anything else! If their rich history of murders is anything to go by, Barrett will have about 1 week (max) to live after he appears on their radar. Even IF Barrett manages to out someone in that time, do you really think they give a damn? Like Scot said, the main players of Zetas have long since been identified. He can only out people much lower on the ladder, and they are of zero consequence to the bottom line. And that´s not even taking into consideration that law enforcement over there is entirely theirs to control!

Like I said, Barrett is overestimating the effects of his efforts and seriously underestimating both his enemy as well as the consequences to his person.

If he truly wanted to do some good, he would have stayed anonymous, practice proper OPSEC and do what he could from there. Instead he chooses to be the center of attention in the media. Thats not heroism, thats stupidity.
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Krypt3ia @Chris
There's standing up and making a difference then there is Barrett Brown and his statements. BB is just haming it up for book deals and such.

He's a fool.
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