Patriot Hackers: GET OFF MY LAWN!

Wednesday, April 18, 2012

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Ali didn’t go far enough so I will say it….

Yeah, I have seen the comments on the post Ali did on Infosec Island, and I have heard that there are some folks pestering him now online because of that post.

Let me assure you that Ali is too nice of a guy and too caring in how he may be getting things across in a more, shall we say, civil manner.

Those are certainly not problems where I am concerned, so let me start off with a tirade, cool down a bit, then make a reasoned argument ok?

//RANT BEGINS

Listen up you morons, you are not doing ANY of us a favor with your antics. Taking down sites via DDoS or actually popping them and RM’ing them makes you NO BETTER THAN  LULZSEC OR ANTISEC (of the Sabu variety pre popping by the Feds) Your hamfisted attempts at self glorification (and you know who I am referring to) are petty and stupid. You are not serving any greater good in my book and many others (including others in the CT world) by your actions. Basically, you are seen as trying to garner attention that you so much desire because of lacking interpersonal skills or psychological issues induced by ADHD/Aspergers.

Now, IF you are being condoned by some organization in your efforts and directed by parties in the government or military, I say to you, there’d better be a fraking good reason for the actions. I would also say that the stove pipe shit that was supposed to stop post GW’s order has not actually happened and people are just basically shooting each other in the knees here, and this is just patently stupid.

Cut it the frak out!

For those of you on your own and emulating others such as he who shall remain un-named at present, know this, you are getting in the way. In one way it was nice to have 12 days of nothing to do post these last take downs, but on the other a lot of shit can happen in 12 days that could go spectacularly wrong because of your actions. Think about that as you ponder how you are helping the CT world and saving a soldier somewhere.

You aren’t You are deluding yourself into thinking you are, that’s all. You want to help? You go to the appropriate agency and offer your help. Don’t just go off half cocked and shoot others in the foot with your hair brained actions. Think about the consequence potential of what you are doing to those who are inside the system and operational ok? That especially goes for you Raptor, you claim to have taken down the sites but you really have given out no proof, so I cannot say for sure you did squat that way, but, what I can say is you did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the jihobbyists because here they are. all back again with databases intact!

Feel like Sisyphus much? Your victory was hollow at best.. IF you did anything.

So, like the title says… GET OFF MY LAWN!

//RANT ENDS

Whew! Ok, got that out. Now let me take a more reasoned approach here…

First off, you want to help, then please offer help to those in charge of such matters. The FBI say or DHS etc etc. Hell, you can even contact the NYPD right? You see something you say something right?

So you see shit, tar it up and email the shit to them! Maybe they already know about it. Maybe, it’s an ongoing operation and they will say thank you and move along. Mostly though, you will have done something constructive instead of destructive and inhibiting.

Secondly, once again, you never know what you are stumbling about in. You could be in fact ruining operations that could lead to arrests or actionable intelligence. Think about it before you go all Charles Bronson and then later Pastebin dump about it...

Or for that matter, talk to Fox news about it. Now there’s operational security huh? Being a news frak about it will only get you derision on the part of some and outright malice on others.

Which am I in those two? Ehh mostly derision as you have seen in the past.

Suffice to say that all I really ask of you all, in my own special and endearing way, is to GET THE frak OFF MY LAWN! .. and others lawns. You wanna help, offer it to the authorities. Cut this chicken shit out.

K.

Editor's note: Some of the more coarse language has been altered in this piece. The unadulterated version can be found here:

Cross-posted from Krypt3ia

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Denis Laskov Hi Scot
Nice point of view. A lot of anger and emotions - looks like came from heart.
But... it nice for someone who live in US. UK.. maybe France, Germany, New Zeland etc... Not for those, who'll need to take visa and oversea ticket to reach NYPD. :)
Well, apparently You mean few top-known patriot hackers, who claim to live in States, but for me, "anger part" of Your memo represent some kind of average IT person PoV:
"Leave war to guys from government and go have a snack".
I am sure guys from authorities all over the world make they job 100% good and there are enough of them to prevent all the bad stuff happend. thats why our cyberspace so clean, safe and shiny...
And pardon me for my romantic point of view, but I will use Your lexicon for final point: All parts should do they job better and stop complaining about some other kids playing on PUBLIC SHARED LAWN. Look at least for cooperation - this is IMHO way to success.
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Andrei Bujaki Scot , the Cyber vigilantism appeared because FBI ,DHS and other official orgs are unable to stop the permanent threat to the civil cyber liberties and to the social security , threat represented by the Anonymous terrorist organization , and many other groups .
Its the liberty to defend your self , your family , your country , by any necessary means ,as long as the ones which must do that are incapable and incompetent .
The story about the so called interrupted operations its only a story to justify the incompetence of the ones which are involved in US cyber defense .
Are about 7000 jihadist terrorist propaganda websites , and terrorist propaganda its all over the place in facebook, you tube vimeo so on . Nobody can affirm that FBI has 7000 operations related to those websites or if he does that its insain or simply plain stupid.
I don't like anarchy , i dont like Jester or Raptor or any other idiot who thinks that he can change alone the world but what they are doing its a legitimate moral act of defense - as long as FBI is simply plain incompetent(i"m polite now) in this matter .
FBI in 2 years arrested ~ 10 simple soldiers from among Anonymous ,
They not even touched the "core " , they don't have the slightest idea how to bring down Anonymous and they use all sorts of second hand web security companies , aka HB Gary and others like HBG . Regarding the reporting to the FBI ,the IC3 website its unusable , the website does not provide a section for reporting hacking activities .
So don't expect to soon, that this type of actions to stop , instead of that expect that soon - in the near future to see an real cyber war between civil cyber militias - army and iranians, chines , etc .
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Chuckling ABit Wow.. you really are pathetic Mr Terban. You've graduated to the idiocy of removing all of the comments that disagree with you on your blog. So I'll do you the favor of posting this here.

re: http://krypt3ia.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/oh-jokey/#comment-10691


“*I and others* do not feel that he is winning anything nor doing anyone any good except drawing attention to himself and whatever it is he thinks he is doing.”

I and others? Yes, some people agree with you, many others don’t.

“Nowadays, he has bracelets to sell (ostensibly for the wounded warrior project) and a brand name to keep up with his tweets of takedowns.”

Pathetic. “Ostensibly”? [Have you no shame?] Do you have any evidence whatsoever that he is misappropriating funds that he is claiming to raise for wounded warriors? If not, then shut the [eff] up.

Watching you over the last few weeks making ridiculous accusations and stomping your feet like a child leaves me with the impression that you’re jealous of the attention he’s received. It’s funny, I think you slipped way back in your first post when you called him a “glory hog.” Aww poor Scot. You want more attention don’t you? Are you enjoying lapping up the attention each time you call him out?
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